Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 03:55:21 -0600 (MDT) From: owner-vmax-digest@MyList.net (vmax-digest) Subject: vmax-digest V1 #241 To: vmax-digest@MyList.net vmax-digest Thursday, April 9 1998 Volume 01 : Number 241 In this issue: Vmax REAL RICH !!! [Rob Ferreira ] Re: Vmax Pulling my flywheel [Leslie and Roy Richards ] Re: Vmax kerker power curve Q's [Paul Sayegh ] Re: Vmax Washers\flywheels & hammers [Paul Sayegh ] Re: Vmax Pulling my flywheel [Paul Sayegh ] Re: Vmax REAL RICH !!! [Paul Sayegh ] Re: Vmax chrome ["Dennis Barch" ] Vmax Are you ready to READ?!?!? [DMaloy@tesent.com] Re: Vmax kerker power curve - hindle just go [Terry Hayden ] Re: Vmax Are you ready to READ?!?!? ["Mike Sayers" ] Re: Vmax Are you ready to READ- filters [Terry Hayden ] Used Vmax motor [Aimo Partanen ] Vmax Frame [John Furbur ] Re: Vmax "no oil!" [oldmanvmaxd@webtv.net (donald smith)] Re: Vmax Tyler [oldmanvmaxd@webtv.net (donald smith)] Vmax dampner [Deon Hauptfleisch ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 19:39:38 +0000 From: Rob Ferreira Subject: Vmax REAL RICH !!! I have just inquired a new problem. I installed a holeshot, and stage 1 kit. Ive started it up numerous times,and ridden it around the block a couple of times,it ran perfect! Today I went to go for a ride and it seems to be running real rich- to the point, I have fuel leaking out of the exhaust down past the 4 into 1 collector.What could have happened? Any Help? Anybody? Thanks in advance, Rob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 23:19:55 -0400 From: Leslie and Roy Richards Subject: Re: Vmax Pulling my flywheel Paul Sayegh wrote: > > > I tried to do this on the one of mine cause it seemed like the logical > > thing to do. It didnt work however. On the real tough one what did work > > was letting it sit overnight at full pressure. The next morning I zapped > > it with the air wrench and it popped right off. > > Roy > > Roy, what type of torch did you use? > > Paul S. Just used a small plumbers torch. I didnt really think it should have taken a whole lot of heat. Maybe I was wrong about that? Roy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 23:17:36 -0400 From: Leslie and Roy Richards Subject: Re: Vmax kerker power curve Q's brad campbell wrote: > > Hi everyone I just installed a nice chrome kerker 4 into 1 love the > looks and the sound but my bike doesn't seem to have the same grunt off > the line and I don't notice an increase in power I have the stage 7 jet > kit on order, will that do me much good ? I thought that this header > would produce a noticeable power increase. any input would be greatly > appreciated. > > thanks > brad Brad, Something isnt right. You should feel a major kick in the ass with your new pipe. My new pipe pulled nearly 10 hp more on the same dyno. You need to follow some others reccomendations you have seen here and work on your jetting and baffle size. Roy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 23:18:31 -0400 From: Leslie and Roy Richards Subject: Re: Vmax Burning oil Colin wrote: > > Hi! > > I thought I was adding oil too often.... My bike used 1.25 qts in 1300 > miles. Does that sound bad? Colin, When did you buy a Harley? Roy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 20:19:40 -0700 From: Paul Sayegh Subject: Re: Vmax kerker power curve Q's I have a Dynojet Stage 1 with a Sudco 4-1. Runs nearly perfect. Had to downsize the pilot air jet and like Mike said, richen the idle mixture screws. Paul S. Mike Sayers wrote: > On 8 Apr 98 at 21:08, donald smith wrote: > > > Brad, with a Kerker you have to re-jet, Hindle you just go. > > You need to at least shim up the needles and open the idle screws a > little. Better yet, replace the needles with Factory brand ones (seem > to work the best) or get a Dynotjet Stage 1 kit (works OK too). > > -Mike Sayers 1990 Yamaha Vmax Smithfield, NC > Vmax list admin AMA #694085 DoD #2026 VMOA #234 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 20:22:00 -0700 From: Paul Sayegh Subject: Re: Vmax Washers\flywheels & hammers 1.350 x 1.00 x .090-.100 Paul S Dan & Teresa Cox wrote: > Paul, > What size are the washers...I might be able to make my own at work... > > Dan Cox > Newark, OH > VMOA# 384 > 93 Vmax ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 20:28:49 -0700 From: Paul Sayegh Subject: Re: Vmax Pulling my flywheel Yup! You have to use a oxy-acetylene with about a # 1 tip. Much hotter. The idea is to make it expand faster than the crank underneath, it has no choice but to pop off a taper. I have had flywheels pop off with as little as 2-3 seconds of good heat. With a low heat set up it all expands at the same rate and won't budge. Good luck next time, glad you got it off! Paul S. Leslie and Roy Richards wrote: > Paul Sayegh wrote: > > > > > I tried to do this on the one of mine cause it seemed like the logical > > > thing to do. It didnt work however. On the real tough one what did work > > > was letting it sit overnight at full pressure. The next morning I zapped > > > it with the air wrench and it popped right off. > > > Roy > > > > Roy, what type of torch did you use? > > > > Paul S. > > Just used a small plumbers torch. I didnt really think it should have > taken a whole lot of heat. Maybe I was wrong about that? > Roy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 20:33:36 -0700 From: Paul Sayegh Subject: Re: Vmax REAL RICH !!! Maybe your floats got screwed up. Does your fuel pump give any indication of running too much? If you leave the ignition switch on with the engine stopped for a while does it start right up and run clean? If not check the carb floats and needle and seat. Rob Ferreira wrote: > I have just inquired a new problem. I installed a holeshot, and stage 1 > kit. Ive started it up numerous times,and ridden it around the block a > couple of times,it ran perfect! Today I went to go for a ride and it seems > to be running real rich- to the point, I have fuel leaking out of the > exhaust down past the 4 into 1 collector.What could have happened? Any Help? > Anybody? Thanks in advance, Rob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 21:18:24 PDT From: "Dennis Barch" Subject: Re: Vmax chrome HiJim No charge for the dampner,if you corrected it it's yours! I have mine mounted on the right side of the bike,just above the edge of the right side of the radiator.I had a tiny l shaped tab welded to the frame , to which it is mounted,then it goes to the left fork.The collar that mounts to the fork ,has a little swivel on it, to correct the angle,so there's no bind. Hope this helps! Dennis P.S.: My friend Jim in Vegas has an extra one still; I'll call him tomorrow & ask,& let you know tomorrow night. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 00:19:28 -0400 From: DMaloy@tesent.com Subject: Vmax Are you ready to READ?!?!? Thought I would write you all a novel!! I first want to say how excited I am to be part of the VMOA, the knowledge and information this group can provide is great! I picked up my first Vmax last week, and as a former Honda V4 guy, I have to say the Vmax is KILLER! I bought a 90, which the former owner painted yellow, installed a Kerker 4 into 1 pipe, a jet kit, and K&N filters. The bike runs great, but the curious mechanic that I am, I start poking around the bike and didn't notice the Vboost mechanism; does it sit in the middle of the carbs? With it removed/set to 'ON' will the bike be gaining or losing power?? And with that said, how much HP should I be expecting from this bike? I also need to tackle the front end; with no hands on the bars, it INSTANTLY goes into a "tank slapper"; I have ordered, and read, ALL back issues of VBoost, so I know I should change over to the Progressive Suspension components, get the fork stabilizer, and do the Furbur fix; BUT, I have some general questions, before I lower the bike; I go up to Laconia each year and camp out for the week; in the past I have packed my bike with all of my gear and rode up; has anyone packed a lowered Vmax and had a problem with the front wheel hitting the radiator/bottoming out?? I would also like to get a set of saddlebags to pack all my S%&T; does anyone know of a manufacture that makes a real nice set of leather bags that will fit a Vmax with a 4 into 1 Kerker? Also, will the lower suspension effect the bag choices(I'm planning on doing the front and rear) ?? Does anyone know of a someone who has bought or made forward controls for the Vmax? Is there a certain brand/weight of engine oil that works best with the Vmax; in particular, helping shifting/clutch wear? The former owner told me he changed the oil and used Mobil One, doesn't regular motor oil (auto) mess with the bike's clutch? Also, what about shaft drive oil? I have also been reading about the flywheel situation, what happened to your 90 that you have to remove the flywheel/starter, and look for parts inside your motor!! Is this some kind of habit the 90's have? Now the most important question!! How should I order my parts so the group will get recognition for the parts order; and so I might be able to get some sort of a discount? Also, I would not be opposed to buying high quality used parts, if anyone has them for sale!?! Well, I have to thank you all in advance for reading through this and helping me out with your suggestions. Dan Maloy West Roxbury, MA VMOA#385 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 22:03:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Hayden Subject: Re: Vmax kerker power curve - hindle just go At 09:08 PM 08/04/98 -0500, Don "Old Man" Smith wrote: >Brad, with a Kerker you have to re-jet, Hindle you just go. Couldn't agree more... I am reworking a second set of carbs to go with my Hindle but thought what the hey, why not try a couple of rides with the pipe and the stock carb set up. I was pleasantly surprised to see that it fired up easy and idled nice, smooth off the line, cruised with no surge and launched like a bat out of hell pulling strong all the way to the red line. The weight loss has a lot to do with the seat of the pants feel but no question power was up through the whole range, especially at top end. Of course one of the benefits of living in the north, the cool air of spring helped to provide a denser charge. If I can squeak out even a bit more this summer with some airbox and carb work, it may keep me happy for a couple of weeks ; ) cheers, Terry http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/2476/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 23:38:03 -0600 From: Colin Subject: Vmax Tyler From: "Doug Ullman" Sure wanna go to Tyler. Gotta make sure I can clear the 'ole schedule. Are the details posted on VMOA?? Don't know much about it yet. Send me details, and I'll put the event on the Events page... Colin. '90 Max, 62k mil, Albuquerque, NM. http://www.nmia.com/~zippy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 01:29:09 -0500 From: "Mike Sayers" Subject: Re: Vmax Are you ready to READ?!?!? On 9 Apr 98 at 0:19, DMaloy@tesent.com wrote: > I bought a 90, > which the former owner painted yellow, installed a Kerker 4 into 1 pipe, > a jet kit, and K&N filters. The bike runs great, but the curious > mechanic that I am, I start poking around the bike and didn't notice the > Vboost mechanism; does it sit in the middle of the carbs? Below and between, yes. With individual filters, you most likely have a Stage 7 kit and the Vboost valves have been removed and replaced with aluminum tubes. > With it > removed/set to 'ON' will the bike be gaining or losing power?? It really makes very little difference, just makes it use more gas and harder to cruise. > And with > that said, how much HP should I be expecting from this bike? Kerkers average about 115 rear wheel hp, which is up 8 or 10 from stock. > I have some general questions, before I lower the bike; I go up to > Laconia each year and camp out for the week; in the past I have packed > my bike with all of my gear and rode up; has anyone packed a lowered > Vmax and had a problem with the front wheel hitting the > radiator/bottoming out?? Mine is not lowered, but I have loaded it down heavily and not had a problem. The biggest problem with a heavy load is stability. > I have also been reading about the flywheel situation, what happened to > your 90 that you have to remove the flywheel/starter, and look for parts > inside your motor!! Is this some kind of habit the 90's have? I didn't lose parts in the motor, it fell out & rolled away. There's no way parts from the flywheel could get into the motor. Not very easily anyway. The problem was the starter was grinding instead of cranking. It's an infrequent problem with all years. The starter clutch wears out or breaks (as in my case). It's bolted to the back of the flywheel. > Now the most important question!! How should I order my parts so the > group > will get recognition for the parts order; and so I might be able to get > some sort of > a discount? Also, I would not be opposed to buying high quality used > parts, if anyone has them for sale!?! Call Links at 610-282-4800 for Yamaha parts, tell them you're a VMOA member. A couple of list members make & sell a few custom parts; spin-on filter conversions, seats, radiators, fork brace, etc. Used parts get sold on here once in a while, too. > Dan Maloy > West Roxbury, MA > VMOA#385 Coming to Marcus Dairy May 31? I'll be there (if I can get my bike going again). - -Mike Sayers 1990 Yamaha Vmax Smithfield, NC Vmax list admin AMA #694085 DoD #2026 VMOA #234 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 23:44:11 -0600 From: Colin Subject: Vmax "no oil!" From: oldmanvmaxd@webtv.net (donald smith) colin, your valve guides are starting to show some wear. I have 76,000 and I am using a quart every 2,000. Would it show this on a compression test? Is there any other troubleshooting I can do? Colin. '90 Max, 62k mil, Albuquerque, NM. http://www.nmia.com/~zippy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 22:38:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Hayden Subject: Re: Vmax Are you ready to READ- filters At 12:19 AM 09/04/98 -0400, Dan wrote: welcome Dan... > I bought a 90, >which the former owner painted yellow, installed a Kerker 4 into 1 pipe, >a jet kit, and K&N filters. The bike runs great, but the curious >mechanic that I am, I start poking around the bike and didn't notice the >Vboost mechanism; does it sit in the middle of the carbs? With it >removed/set to 'ON' will the bike be gaining or losing power?? And with >that said, how much HP should I be expecting from this bike? The key here is "filters"..if you have one filter per carb then you are likely running a Stage 7 jet kit that removed the V-boost mechanism and installed a permant cross port pipe...does it make more power???... Roy, John C. you want to handle this one???...(sound of me stepping back and grabbing some popcorn) >..., before I lower the bike; I go up to >Laconia each year and camp out for the week; in the past I have packed >my bike with all of my gear and rode up; has anyone packed a lowered >Vmax and had a problem with the front wheel hitting the >radiator/bottoming out?? the front wheel won't hit the rad unless you hit something else first. The stock set up will bottom out under heavy braking without loading it up or lowering it. >I would also like to get a set of saddlebags to pack all my S%&T; does >anyone know of a manufacture that makes a real nice set of leather bags >that will fit a Vmax with a 4 into 1 Kerker? Also, will the lower >suspension effect the bag choices(I'm planning on doing the front and >rear) ?? Some here recommend the use of a tank bag..anyone else got bags with a Kerker?? >Does anyone know of a someone who has bought or made forward controls >for the Vmax? most ask for rear sets but seeger cycle accessories 614-436-5709 makes forward controls for the Max >Is there a certain brand/weight of engine oil that works best with the >Vmax; in particular, helping shifting/clutch wear? The former owner >told me he changed the oil and used Mobil One, doesn't regular motor oil >(auto) mess with the bike's clutch? Don't start this debate again...I guess by default you're a "synthetic man" but don't try to convert the rest of us. If the clutch isn't slipping by now then I wouldn't lose sleep. Of course once you drain that wicked auto stuff from your bike you could always come back to the fold of m/c petroleum base oil only group.... ; ) > >I have also been reading about the flywheel situation, what happened to >your 90 that you have to remove the flywheel/starter, and look for parts >inside your motor!! Is this some kind of habit the 90's have? No just a habit Roy and Mike have... > >Now the most important question!! How should I order my parts so the >group >will get recognition for the parts order; and so I might be able to get >some sort of >a discount? Also, I would not be opposed to buying high quality used >parts, if anyone has them for sale!?! Deal with the vendors that offer VMOA discounts and let them know your membership number. Also I am sure members here wouldn't be opposed to selling you some quality used parts. >Well, I have to thank you all in advance for reading through this and >helping me out with your suggestions. > you're welcome... cheers, Terry http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/2476/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 01:24:01 -0600 From: Colin Subject: Vmax links.. Hi! I've just added some links to the VMOA links page: http://www.v-max.com/html/vmbikelink.htm E-mail me (mailto:zippy@nmia.com) with more cool ones!! Colin. '90 Max, 62k mil, Albuquerque, NM. http://www.nmia.com/~zippy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:49:04 +0200 From: Aimo Partanen Subject: Used Vmax motor Hello Does somebody have any experiences about how much I should pay from a used low mileage -88 Vmax motor with starter and carbs in USA. Any information appreciated. Aimo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 03:33:22 -0500 From: John Furbur Subject: Vmax Frame I am looking for a VMAX frame, must be straight. I had one going to a customer, found it was bent, and need to get him a good frame. Any help in this regard would be greatly appreciated. Please e-mail privately if you can help. Thanx. - -- *** NEW E-mail Address!!!- RMSportMax@sprintmail.com *** * John Furbur & Rocky Mtn. SportMax * Vmax Owners Assoc.#75 *'Affordable Sportbike & VMAX Alternatives'* Denver, CO. * http://www.RMSportMax.com * VOICEMAIL-303-239-VMAX(8629) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 04:46:33 -0500 From: oldmanvmaxd@webtv.net (donald smith) Subject: Re: Vmax "no oil!" Colin, A compression test won'tshow worn guides, but will show worn rings or valves not seating . Don "Old Man" Smith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 04:49:52 -0500 From: oldmanvmaxd@webtv.net (donald smith) Subject: Re: Vmax Tyler Colin, I am going up in the morning to run roads and set up a place to stay and eat . Will get you details when I get back. Don "Old Man" Smith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:56:48 +0200 From: Deon Hauptfleisch Subject: Vmax dampner You wrote: HiJim No charge for the dampner,if you corrected it it's yours! I have mine mounted on the right side of the bike,just above the edge of the right side of the radiator.I had a tiny l shaped tab welded to the frame , to which it is mounted,then it goes to the left fork.The collar that mounts to the fork ,has a little swivel on it, to correct the angle,so there's no bind. Hope this helps! Dennis Hi there Dennis, I'm sitting with a universal multi adjustable steering dampner which I have difficulty in mounting. Had a look at the one that mounts behind the instruments on top of the triple clamps but mine is too large to fit there. Any chance of a pic to show how you mounted yours?? Also saw the one that Paul from Mad Max has got - Don't like the look of it sticking out the front between the forks. Greetings from Sunny South Africa, Deon +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ Deon Hauptfleisch - Quality Manager Keops Isis Industrial Information Systems (Pty) Ltd Email: dh1@isis.co.za Tel: +27 (12) 667-1060 Fax: +27 (12) 667- 1617 Cell: +27 (82) 441-5838 +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ End of vmax-digest V1 #241 **************************