> From: "P. BENSON" > Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:57:35 -0600 (MDT) > Subject: suspension 101 (long) > > I've read the comments on rake and trail [sounds like a name for a > magazine on hiking and gardening :)], and wanted to add a bit to the > discussion. First, what are rake and trail? > > First, rake is merely the angle from vertical that a line through the > steering head would produce. This is also called castor angle. The angle > from this line to horizontal (road surface) is the head angle. Astor > angle + head angle = 90 degrees, obviously. > > To find trail, again find the line through the steering head....NOT a line > through the forks....and extend it down to the pavement. Drop a vertical > line through the hub of the front tire. Trail is the distance (in the > horizontal plane) between these two points. > > Rake is usually 22-28 degrees or so for most street bikes, and trail tends > to be 3-5 inches. And yes, all of this is "theoretical" in that a > motorcycle in operation is always changing in front end geometry, based on > load, acceleration/braking, road surface, etc. > > Note that most bikes have some offset between the steering head and the > forks, with the forks "ahead" of the steering head. This has the effect > of DECREASING trail, as the line through the hub is relatively farther > forward, closer to the line through the steering head. Some bikes, not > many, also have an offset at the lower end of the fork, often increasing > the offset and further decreasing trail. While you wouldn't want to do > it, you can get NEGATIVE trail, or "lead", when the rake is sufficiently > reduced and the offset is great enough. > > Anthony Grafals, your shopping cart analogy is really very instructive. > Assume one builds a motorcycle with a vertical steering axis (zero rake), > and no offset. Trail is zero. Now add some offset at the end of the > fork, and you've got the shopping cart. Set it up with lead, not trail, > and yes, any turning of the wheel will lead to torque that will try to > amplify the amount of turning, and extreme instability. Trail, when > turned around, is merely the amount of offset. > > Can we adjust offset in a forked bike? Yes. Use an eccentirc bushing in > the headset, or change the triple clamps, or build spacers into the triple > clamp. I can't think of a production bike that does this, but it would be > easy enough, and would add another dimension to suspension adjustment. > > Trail is needed for stability in a straight line. Cruisers have more, as > a rule, and are stable. Sport bikes have less and can be "twitchy". But > too much trail makes the bike heavy to steer. Too little and there's not > enough "restoring torque" when straightening the bike. Too little trail > also makes a bike that is easily deflected by bumps. > > Real world.....the road surface is not smooth. When you hit a bump, the > contact patch "moves" around the front of the tire, reducing trail. Big > enough bump, and you have lead, not trail, and the bike tries to turn. > > Do we have rake and trail? Yes. It's all in the front ball joint. Hub > center designs need far less rake, often only using 5-12 degrees (I don't > know the figure for the GTS, BTW). But, when the swing arm moves up and > down, the rake changes by an amount based on the length of the front swing > arm. Compression increases rake. I suspect the GTS has more fluctuation > in rake and trail than a forked bike, and may be more sensitive to issues > of tire choice, etc. > > Kurt--a couple of comments. First, dump the Dunlops. Second, yes, > changing tires could change the trail. With the front up (compressed) > you'd get more, not less, trail. > > Robt Taylor....the 60 v. 70 series on 130 v. 120 tires is not quite as > simple as my reading of your comments. The aspect ratio is in relation to > the width of a tire. The important number is the actual radius of the > tire. A 60 series tire is only "smaller" (around) if it's compared to a > tire of the same width. I'd have to do the math, but I'd bet a 120/70 is > pretty close to a 130/60. > > Does all of this help? > > Phil